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Religion is one of the biggest threats in my opinion.

Can't disagree with that...

 

And 'our' religious fanatics are just as bad as 'theirs'!

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Can't disagree with that...

 

And 'our' religious fanatics are just as bad as 'theirs'!

 

Well I m not sure about that but yes Religion! one big rip off!

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The original topic was phones having ther data downloaded from people who have been arrested.

So that would be 'numbers' and 'texts' - something they could read just by looking in the phone.

Only this time, they take an electronic record.

That does not differ too much from what the police have always had to do -

make a record of the arrest and what was said and done, and any evidence - even in Robert Peels day.

 

You, Sparks always have to use any excuse to go off on a tangent to shout 'it's a police state'

I suspect you like to sprout your BS here because no one else in your life will listen.

 

Should I be arrested in the future and they take my mothers and the local chinky's telephone number from my phone

and record my texts saying 'see you in the pub at 8' then so be it.

 

If they arrest the local pusher and record his dealings with the criminal fraternity from his phone - once again, so be it.

 

But, and this is what you can never comprehend Sparks, we understand what you call function creep, we know the police get more powers by the week

we know that some are 'bad apples' we understand that we are not always told the truth or real reason behind political decisions and it concerns most of us.

 

What we don't need is a 'trotskyist' believing that he and he alone knows the real truth out there.

We see it, we read it, we understand. Paranoia renders you unable to make a rational arguement -

and that is why you recieve so much flak on here - not because we are ignorant

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The original topic was phones having ther data downloaded from people who have been arrested.

So that would be 'numbers' and 'texts' - something they could read just by looking in the phone.

Only this time, they take an electronic record.

That does not differ too much from what the police have always had to do -

make a record of the arrest and what was said and done, and any evidence - even in Robert Peels day.

 

You, Sparks always have to use any excuse to go off on a tangent to shout 'it's a police state'

I suspect you like to sprout your BS here because no one else in your life will listen.

 

Should I be arrested in the future and they take my mothers and the local chinky's telephone number from my phone

and record my texts saying 'see you in the pub at 8' then so be it.

 

If they arrest the local pusher and record his dealings with the criminal fraternity from his phone - once again, so be it.

 

But, and this is what you can never comprehend Sparks, we understand what you call function creep, we know the police get more powers by the week

we know that some are 'bad apples' we understand that we are not always told the truth or real reason behind political decisions and it concerns most of us.

 

What we don't need is a 'trotskyist' believing that he and he alone knows the real truth out there.

We see it, we read it, we understand. Paranoia renders you unable to make a rational arguement -

and that is why you recieve so much flak on here - not because we are ignorant

 

To be fair this is well written and I completely agree :Thumbs_Up1:

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The original topic was phones having ther data downloaded from people who have been arrested.

So that would be 'numbers' and 'texts' - something they could read just by looking in the phone.

Only this time, they take an electronic record.

That does not differ too much from what the police have always had to do -

make a record of the arrest and what was said and done, and any evidence - even in Robert Peels day.

 

You, Sparks always have to use any excuse to go off on a tangent to shout 'it's a police state'

I suspect you like to sprout your BS here because no one else in your life will listen.

 

Should I be arrested in the future and they take my mothers and the local chinky's telephone number from my phone

and record my texts saying 'see you in the pub at 8' then so be it.

 

If they arrest the local pusher and record his dealings with the criminal fraternity from his phone - once again, so be it.

 

But, and this is what you can never comprehend Sparks, we understand what you call function creep, we know the police get more powers by the week

we know that some are 'bad apples' we understand that we are not always told the truth or real reason behind political decisions and it concerns most of us.

 

What we don't need is a 'trotskyist' believing that he and he alone knows the real truth out there.

We see it, we read it, we understand. Paranoia renders you unable to make a rational arguement -

and that is why you recieve so much flak on here - not because we are ignorant

As ever you tie yourself up in knots Rother because you are indeed sometimes ignorant...

 

I am no more 'trotskyist' than you!..Do you actually understand what the word means, other than what you perceive from a wiki entry?

 

FYI I am a anarchist in the truest sense of the word - not what the government/media lead you to believe about an anarchist...!

 

Sadly you and many others have shown a complete inability to understand the difference because of one tiny detail...

 

I believe that everyone should be able to control their own life instead of bending down to 'authority' whatever they may decree - and that is ANY form of FORCED authority whatever name you may wish to give it!

 

I have no problem with criminals being investigated, but the line has to be drawn when innocent people are caught up in the same net - a concept that obviously fails to be grasped by some who already consider others not their equal for one reason or another!

 

What you and others don't understand is that it is not 'some bad apples' as you quaintly term it, it is the system behind that allows (and encourages) the 'bad apples' - a very big difference!

 

I have been involved in some protests that most would agree with and some that most wouldn't...At least I remain true to myself, and bother to get involved!

 

Unlike you, who claimed that you were censored here when you were not, I have been...I'm still awaiting a reply as to why!!

 

But then I'm sure you (and others) will think thats ok, without realising the consequences since you no longer have the right to say what you want!

 

Despite the contrary impression I've received a lot of help here, and hopefully helped a few out...

 

But for some, christmas has come early...!

 

 

And sometimes the right wing minded idiots win...

 

Hey ho, the last 12 years have been fun...

 

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I have no problem with criminals being investigated, but the line has to be drawn when innocent people are caught up in the same net
This IS where I agree with Sparks 100% it's like the DNA situation we have, sureif i'm nicked then take my prints then my DNA search database to see if i have done something if not then they should be wiped, after all it has been proved time and time again that govt dept can't be trusted with our data, what is to stop the govt taking my dna sample and selling it if i was prone to a certain illness to a certain drug company but i guess that would never happen, after all your data at DVLA used to be safe once now it's up to sale to almost anyone, but i guess some will say i'm wrong.

 

Oh well if Sparks does go for good i know for sure i will be here a lot less, yes i know it will make some folks day but for the board i don't think it would be good, you have someone like sparks who without a doubt injects debate into the system, sure people may not like it but in that case just read his post make your point and leave it at that, we don't have to agree with people 100%, and in me what does the board loose, well that's for others to say but IMO I'm an assest as i will and do go out of my way to help everyone on here even people i don't get on with will get my help if i can.

 

Lets be honest for whatever reason the posts on here have slowed to a trickle and can well see a week going by without post count being in single figures, as i say time will tell what Sparks will do I for one think it's a shame.

 

 

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There must be other issues other than just this thread - I think he alluded to something in one of his posts here.

 

If he caved on the strength of one good telling off, then he caved - but I don't believe that.

 

I have to say though - he was at variance with nearly every poster on here and that in my opinion stops people re-posting or scares them away completely.

 

I am a strong person, articulate and erudite but I usually stopped posting when he turned it into a slag fest.

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Lets be honest for whatever reason the posts on here have slowed to a trickle and can well see a week going by without post count being in single figures, as i say time will tell what Sparks will do I for one think it's a shame.

 

All1

 

It's quite sad that sparks has chosen the path to leave, I am sure he will be back at some point and yes he has injected lots to various debates, but I also believe that his constant political posts have been to the demise of some of our members. I remember a few past regular members telling me that the the forum had changed in the last few years as virtually every post was one from sparks! Do not get me wrong there is nothing wrong with a good debate but this forum was originally about apps, warez and pc related discussions but in my opinion it turned into a vehicle for sparks cause and I think that is why so many left, time will tell, i am surprised that Jamer let sparks carry on the way he did, he even gave sparks a position albeit a link checker but he obviously tried to encourage sparks to get the forum back to how it was. This forum has been here and outlasted loads of others over the years and Jamer has always kept it up to date, I am sure it will survive without sparks.

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I do not say much but what I will say is that I agree with the last post from fonz and from rother. I believe that the forum has lost a lot of really good members over the past few years. It had become a vehicle for sparks to vent his disagreements with almost everything, I am sure he would argue different but I think the forum needs to get back to it's roots. In all honesty I miss the old forum and some of the members, I think his leaving will be a blessing in disguise, I think he has actually done jamer a favour.

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There must be other issues other than just this thread - I think he alluded to something in one of his posts here.

 

If he caved on the strength of one good telling off, then he caved - but I don't believe that.

Yea having re read his post i'm very intrested in his comment

Unlike you, who claimed that you were censored here when you were not, I have been...I'm still awaiting a reply as to why!!

Can a mod or Jamer shed some light on this for me and others?

 

Well The Fonz & Web Dragon if this is the case then I can only presume with Sparks gone or going then the post count will increase as well as the quality of posts working on that thought process, I have been here for longer then i care to remember and it was never warez only forum there has always been debate on other matters.

 

As has been discussed before he thinks we live in a police state and he is the only one who thinks that, i think were heading that way and it would seem everyone else thinks we still live in a totally free society, but if you don't agree with him challenge him and if you can't agree then leave it at that, sometimes there is no right or wrong just different points of view.

 

The majority of Sparks's posts are polictial based but not everytime, he should have been left to post what he wanted and if you don't like it ignore him, it's simple it's what i do when i see posts from other people it's simple.

 

Well as i said time will tell, if this place is better without him or not, but i think Jamerspad is very much poorer today without him, you don't have to agree it's just my 2p's worth.

 

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Well not that I should have to explain my actions but I made one of sparks posts hidden (in other words removed it from view) titled

 

A tribute to Liz on her Jubilee...

 

A playlist to show how much we hold her in our hearts...

 

Here is just one of the listings

 

7. Primal Scream “Insect Royalty”

“Let’s roll out the golden f*cking coaches and all our f*cking crowns when

there’s people starving. Disgusting. England must f*cking truly burn one

day.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=qrHDk2u3sHQ]

 

 

I was caught on a bad day and to be fair I have tolerated a lot of posts and left them all untouched, the moderators here hardly remove any posts! but I just thought just because sparks is maybe an anti royalists why should we all have to put up with this rant! I explained to sparks that JamersPad is NOT a hate Britain or Royals site so I removed it before anyone else saw it, obviously he took offense to this being censored as he explained to me in his pm. As I have already said we RARELY remove posts in fact I think the moderators and myself included are far too soft sometimes especially compared to some forums. So you now have your answer folks, I think he over reacted myself but hey ho. I have left the door open for sparks anytime he wants to return he is more than welcome but as a few have already pointed out lets get the forum back to how it was...

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  1. sparks is maybe an anti royalists

  2. Anti Royalist he's anti fuxxing everything apart from probably claiming as much state benefits as possible thats the only way he has time to look up all his shite,He couldn't if he worked,We should all learn to ignore the ###### prick,Biggest arsehole iv'e ever heard spout off in my life and iv'e seen a few ban the prick the forum would be a far better place without the dick.

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Thank for the explanation Jamer which is appreciated, I think you did the right thing, we don't all hate the Royals! I would of stopped his posts long ago but yes get the forum back how it used to be I know you have lost a lot of members because of his political views and constant complaints about this country, suprised you let it carry on for as long as you did.

 

Fresh start, I would send out a bulk email with new idea's etc...

 

The forum has seen lots of other forums come and go so you will survive without mr sparks. (I must add he has got worse over the years he came here originally for the same reasons we all did I am sure)

 

Can you still read members pm's Jamer like the old days? I bet that's hot lol

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To be fair this is well written and I completely agree :Thumbs_Up1:

 

Says it all really........Agree totally.

 

You must all know my opinions of sparky by now.

 

I have had great fun winding him up in past,

 

But iagree that board needs to get a bit less anarchist as if members or new members log on and the first thing they see is yet another "They are out too get us " rant then they aint going to stay long.

 

If a "politically incorrect" section is required then why not password protect a forum so just those who wsh to indulge can do so.

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Says it all really........Agree totally.

 

You must all know my opinions of sparky by now.

 

I have had great fun winding him up in past,

 

But iagree that board needs to get a bit less anarchist as if members or new members log on and the first thing they see is yet another "They are out too get us " rant then they aint going to stay long.

 

If a "politically incorrect" section is required then why not password protect a forum so just those who wsh to indulge can do so.

 

I don't think we need a PI Forum Dave this is a warez site primarily, I know the boss has cut back a little what with every other warez site closing but we need to get back to basics on here or at least get it back to a computer, mobile phone, music, apps related forums like it used to be

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We will survive of that I am sure but I do agree we have lost a few members because of the constant flow of anti this and anti that....move on people :Winky:

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Well not that I should have to explain my actions but I made one of sparks posts hidden (in other words removed it from view) titled

 

A tribute to Liz on her Jubilee...

 

A playlist to show how much we hold her in our hearts...

 

Here is just one of the listings

 

7. Primal Scream “Insect Royalty”

“Let’s roll out the golden f*cking coaches and all our f*cking crowns when

there’s people starving. Disgusting. England must f*cking truly burn one

day.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=qrHDk2u3sHQ]

 

 

I was caught on a bad day and to be fair I have tolerated a lot of posts and left them all untouched, the moderators here hardly remove any posts! but I just thought just because sparks is maybe an anti royalists why should we all have to put up with this rant! I explained to sparks that JamersPad is NOT a hate Britain or Royals site so I removed it before anyone else saw it, obviously he took offense to this being censored as he explained to me in his pm. As I have already said we RARELY remove posts in fact I think the moderators and myself included are far too soft sometimes especially compared to some forums. So you now have your answer folks, I think he over reacted myself but hey ho. I have left the door open for sparks anytime he wants to return he is more than welcome but as a few have already pointed out lets get the forum back to how it was...

 

OK thanks for the explanation Jamer, I know you and the mods remove very little, and IMO that's cool i think the only stuff i'd remove would be unsuitable porn, but it's your board and you do as you see fit.

 

However I think it's off you (or any mod) removed a post just because it does not fit with your view on the royal's, just for your info i think most royals are cool and well worth the money in the long run, so it would not have been my fav thread but that is just my opinion and would not have agreed with him but surely he is allowed to express his thoughts no matter if we agree with him or not, otherwise we do we (as part of the pad) draw the line? No looking for Right said fred music because we don't like em (I know bad example using RSF), this could go on and on but i won't say any more about it as it seems i'm the only one on Sparks's side asking for free speech, as i footnote if he posted it anywhere maybe it should have been in loggerheads as it was a touchy subject, if he posted in open forum then maybe it should just have been moved after all was that what loggerheads was not for?

 

I know nothing about Sparks financial situation but i'm sure he does work for himself and claims very little in the way of state benefits, people like Daveb and myself i suspect claim more then him.

 

Well know he's gone I'll be very intrested to see how the board goes from here, as you al know i have been here a fair while and can still remember coming here after 24 hours and finding 2 or 3 pages of new stuff, looking forward to those times again i must admit.

 

I'm not to sure i like the comment HoTMeLTer made about reading PM's, I hope he was joking Jamer? I think the idea of a mass mailing telling people Sparks has gone is a good idea that way if he was the reason for people like Gazza etc leaving then i'm sure they will be back in there droves.

 

Well I'll say no more on it.

 

 

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OK thanks for the explanation Jamer, I know you and the mods remove very little, and IMO that's cool i think the only stuff i'd remove would be unsuitable porn, but it's your board and you do as you see fit.

 

However I think it's off you (or any mod) removed a post just because it does not fit with your view on the royal's, just for your info i think most royals are cool and well worth the money in the long run, so it would not have been my fav thread but that is just my opinion and would not have agreed with him but surely he is allowed to express his thoughts no matter if we agree with him or not, otherwise we do we (as part of the pad) draw the line? No looking for Right said fred music because we don't like em (I know bad example using RSF), this could go on and on but i won't say any more about it as it seems i'm the only one on Sparks's side asking for free speech.

 

All1

 

Surely this is at the moderators and admins discretion no? I wonder if I said I wanna have sex with a child under 16 how that would be received? it's only freedom of speech eh, like you said where do you draw the line, I actually found the small section of the original sparks post offensive enough, no need for that! so god only knows what the rest said, the foul language alone was enough to have the post removed! and on a lot of other forums similar to this one either a warning or a ban may have been issued, so I really do think sparks through his rattle out when jamer removed the post, I mean how dare he!!!!! :Winky:

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Okay, now sparks is having a go at me...so for the record here is the entire post that I removed as sparks thinks I have decided to selectively quote from his own censored topic for my own ends in his words?? I don't see how... I was asked by Alloneword to shed some light on the reasons. I only posted the main part that I felt needed removing but sparks would like me to post the whole topic, and as I explained to him that really defeats me removing it in the first place but ok here it is and he has also asked me to post all our pm's about this (PRIVATE messages!) but hey this is what he has asked so I will post those below for you all to see.

 

Here is the thread I removed

 

A playlist to show how much we hold her in our hearts...

 

 

 

10. Manic Street Preachers “Repeat (Stars And Stripes)”

“Repeat after me, f*ck queen and country.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=4nDAHV7hPFs]

 

9. Crass “Big A Little A”

A general f*ck you manifesto directed at authority, this one features a way entertaining fake Queen Elizabeth singing lyrics.

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=YIdcDL64KCE]

 

8. The Exploited “Royalty”

In which the Queen of England gets slandered in this punk song with

turns of phrase such as “dirty little b*tch” and “f*cking little cow.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=WVykH-mtus0]

 

7. Primal Scream “Insect Royalty”

“Let’s roll out the golden f*cking coaches and all our f*cking crowns when

there’s people starving. Disgusting. England must f*cking truly burn one

day.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=qrHDk2u3sHQ]

 

6. The Housemartins “Flag Day”

“It’s a waste of time if you know what

they mean/Try shaking a box in front of the queen/’cause her purse is

fat and bursting at the seams.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=3-pxGH4eyLQ]

 

5. Bow Wow Wow “Louis Quatorze”

English new-wavers tackle the contentious moments in royal history in

this number, like French monarch Louis XIV marrying/statutory raping

underaged Marie Antoinette.

Choice lyrics: “Oh I love it when he says so seriously with his gun in my back, “Honey, close your eyes and think of England.”

 

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=fUTUJZyxxPI]

 

4. Manic Street Preachers “Her Majesty’s Prisoners”

If it wasn’t clear by this point, The Manic Street Preachers probably hate the Royals more than any other band.

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=PEXBIz1N97A]

 

3. The Stone Roses “Elizabeth My Dear”

“Tear me apart and boil my bones/I’ll not rest ’til she’s lost her throne/My aim is true my message

is clear/It’s curtains for you, Elizabeth my dear.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=VJNcnDLWNis]

 

2. The Sex Pistols “God Save The Queen”

The Sex Pistols’ definitive assault on the monarch needs no further explanation.

[video:

 

1. The Smiths “The Queen Is Dead”

With anthems like this, it’s not surprising that Morrissey won’t be

tuning in to watch the festivities as he recently slammed the Royals as

“benefit scroungers” and christened the royal bride “Kate Muddleton.”

[video: http://www.youtube.c...?v=Wz5IFl7uCis]

 

And a bonus for all the people in the UK who get the day off work:

Pulp “Common People”

[video:

]

 

Here are the various pm's between us since it's removal

 

From Jamer to sparks

 

Queen

 

sparks, sorry mte I have hidden your post on the Queen stuff, just on my way out to work so I will look at it later.

 

We are not a hate Britain site!

 

Well I appreciate various views some posts are becoming almost like an anti royalist and hate UK gov, which is not what we are about so we need to take a step back for a moment.

 

 

From sparks to Jamer

See ya...

 

Just a courtesy message to say I'm off...

 

Thanks for the (is it 12 years?) of good memories, but when censorship happens it's time for me to call it a day...

 

Sadly when that happens it's not a place for me to be...I have my principles which I always try to adheer to, even when I may be the loser - as I will be without this site.

 

All the best

 

sparks

 

ps. please use the donation I have recently sent - it wasn't meant for future use, it was for enjoyment/help received!

 

From Jamer back to sparks

 

Why?

 

Your choice buddy but to be fair I have tolerated loads of political posts which is not what the forum was originally about. I would prefer you stayed but that has to be your decision, dont really know why, because some disagree with you?

 

When you first came to JamersPad your posts were always about warez, apps etc.. but nearly every post nowadays is for a different cause it seems....

I think I need to get the forum back to how it was originally and maybe stop political post (I know everything can be deemed political, but I think you know what I mean) I would prefer that you were still part of that team but that is your call mate.

 

Sleep on it :Winky:

 

From sparks to Jamer

 

Sadly I have already slept on it Jamer...

 

I respect your wish to get Jamerspad back to what it was, but that place doesn't exist anymore imo...

 

I have always posted my views, so I'm not sure why you perceive my original input to be much different from now...

 

And you should realise by now that people disagreeing with me has no effect on my views, unless they are right and I am wrong...

 

But censorship does affect me deeply, and for that reason alone I have to leave...

 

I hope you can accept that whilst that p*sses me off, I really do wish you well.

 

Hell, I even remember giving an almost running commentary on here during the birth of my second child, so at times it's been like (dare I risk a cliche) an online family here...

 

But principles are absolutely everything to me and sadly, though I shall be the loser, a divorce must happen!

 

I hope you understand that, and like I said - all the best...

 

sparks

 

PS From sparks to Jamer

 

ps. I've sent a couple of pm's which hopefully those contacted will reply to, so I'd be grateful if I can still login to my CP for a while.

 

cheers

 

From Jamer to sparks

 

sparks the door is always open here for you and your membership will remain. I will during the week change your status back to VIP from link checker but other than that your account will remain live. Hope you will pop in and see us from time to time and yes I wish you well too mate

 

From sparks to Jamer

 

Appreciated

 

Then after Alloneword's request and my subsequent post

 

sparks sent this final pm to Jamer

 

Jamer

 

I must admit I'm surprised that you have decided to selectively quote from my censored topic for your own ends (I still get email notifications). And since you now believe it acceptable to posts parts of it, why not post the entire topic so it can be seen in it's context?

 

And while you're about it, how about all of my pm's to you regarding this issue (including this one) so that they can also be seen in context..?

 

As ever I have nothing to hide!

 

After you have done that please delete my account and all data/posts related to it instead of leaving my account open, as I will not be back...not even under a pseudonym as some do!

 

sparks should no longer exist here!

 

I wished you all the best in good faith, and yet you chose to do a bit of character assasination...

 

Maybe you'll 'gain strength' from the nodding posts written by the 'yes people', but in time I believe you might regret your move..

 

I wanted to leave without a bad taste in my mouth, but sadly you have made that almost impossible...

 

I will never wish you bad luck for the forum as it has given me a lot, and hopefully I have given something back

 

But for probably the first time I'm going to lose it...

 

I am really f*cked off !!!

 

Which will no doubt please some at last...

 

But guess what - I don't give a t*ss about them!.... :Winky:

 

My last post and an end of an era for me!

sparks

 

Jamer replied back with

 

sparks I have not chosen a bit of character assassination? I was not even going to mention the post that I removed, alloneword asked me the reason and if I would explain, listen, I am more than happy to post the entire post but that will defeat me removing it in the first place? I am certainly not a yes person mate and never will be.

 

To be fair when everyone was moaning about you and even some people you may think were your friends I still invited you to become a link checker and brought you into the staff domain, ( I wanted to make you a moderator but because I lot complained and suggested it was not a good move I found a way around it by inventing a new position of link checkers as a sort of stepping stone in between) I was criticized heavily by some for that move alone! So I think I have bent over backwards on more than one occasion to support and respect you. If you still want me to close your account I can but I would prefer to leave it in place.

 

So there you have it in all it's entirety nothing hidden.

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Sorry jamer but imo you are the admin and you have done nothing wrong! I would not of bothered explaining yourself, tbh it looks worse now for sparks looks like he really did throw his rattle out. sparks choice by the look nobody was banned or even given a warning here so can't see what the problem is, i also found that whole topic typical of one of his hate Royals posts and inflicting his hatred onto others

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Sorry jamer but imo you are the admin and you have done nothing wrong! I would not of bothered explaining yourself, tbh it looks worse now for sparks looks like he really did throw his rattle out. sparks choice by the look nobody was banned or even given a warning here so can't see what the problem is, i also found that whole topic typical of one of his hate Royals posts and inflicting his hatred onto others

 

Ditto

 

No explanation required Jamer

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I will be lost now without my Shepard :Nervous: lost with all the other sheep out there.

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wELL i FOR ONE AM GRATEFUL FOR THE FULL DISCLOSURE, (sorry about the caps), so thanks for that Jamer.

 

However lets get something straight, it is Jamers board and he can do what he wants I have no issue with that if i don't agree with what he does then i can vote with my feet like Sparks has done.

 

IMO the first exchange of PM's with Jamer and Sparks was in a good nature and i don't think for a minute harm was meant by any of them, but what YOU ALL HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT is Sparks hatered on censorship in all forms (however being a Dad I know he would have no objection to kiddy porn being cencored/wiped) but from what i know of him censorship in any other form is out, now you don't have to agree with him (and that's cool) but understand that is the man he is, where is the crime in him having his views, just because he does not agree with yours, hell even to this day i'd reckon him & I will come to blows over views of Maggie but i can and do respect his views, why can nobody else do this?

 

Well i'll say no more except, I look forward to the pad going back to it's old ways, some come guys and girls lets get you back posting, I look forward to what coming.

 

One final word to Jamer, I think hiding his post was wrong as to be honest it wasn't that bad IMO (when you bear in mind previous posts have made personal insults at other memebers which IMO should never be done in open forum only via PM), and as i've stated i'm pro (most) royals, but it is your forum and you do as you see fit, but this action was OTT, Also many thanks for posting everything as it puts it into some form of context (for me anyway) so once again thx.

 

 

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I have read through Sparks and Jamers posts and I must say that I think Jamer handled things properly. Sparks commented about being here 12 years and I can say that I have been to Jamers site much longer than that. I don't know just how long, but I have been disabled for 15 years and know that I spent a lot of time on Jamers bulletin board (not sure if that is the proper term) before he set up this forum. I always liked Jamers site and must say that I have to agree that the forum has worn thin at times. I don't personally know Sparks, but it got a little old with him almost always being either negative or argumentative. I will say that at times he had some good points, but overall I feel that some members have left in the past because of him. While I didn't vote to ask him to leave, as I think that people should have the right to post, I just got to the point where I would ignore most of his posts.

I have always appreciated the effort Jamer puts into this site and have hoped that it would eventually get back more to it's old form.

Jamer, thank you for all you do.

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So he's gone thank fuxx for that what a w**^^r he was.

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I have read through Sparks and Jamers posts and I must say that I think Jamer handled things properly. Sparks commented about being here 12 years and I can say that I have been to Jamers site much longer than that. I don't know just how long, but I have been disabled for 15 years and know that I spent a lot of time on Jamers bulletin board (not sure if that is the proper term) before he set up this forum. I always liked Jamers site and must say that I have to agree that the forum has worn thin at times. I don't personally know Sparks, but it got a little old with him almost always being either negative or argumentative. I will say that at times he had some good points, but overall I feel that some members have left in the past because of him. While I didn't vote to ask him to leave, as I think that people should have the right to post, I just got to the point where I would ignore most of his posts.

I have always appreciated the effort Jamer puts into this site and have hoped that it would eventually get back more to it's old form.

Jamer, thank you for all you do.

 

Some nice comments there heavy1, good to see a few of the old names already online! hope that is a sign of things to come :Thumbs_Up1:

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I will be lost now without my Shepard :Nervous: lost with all the other sheep out there.

 

LOL that's funny :Smiler: I spat my coffee out

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Funniest quote from ex-sparks of the whole issue

 

And you should realise by now that people disagreeing with me has no effect on my views, unless they are right and I am wrong...

 

I must not have been here that day that, that happened

unless they are right and I am wrong
Priceless

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The original topic was phones having ther data downloaded from people who have been arrested.

So that would be 'numbers' and 'texts' - something they could read just by looking in the phone.

Only this time, they take an electronic record.

That does not differ too much from what the police have always had to do -

make a record of the arrest and what was said and done, and any evidence - even in Robert Peels day.

 

You, Sparks always have to use any excuse to go off on a tangent to shout 'it's a police state'

I suspect you like to sprout your BS here because no one else in your life will listen.

 

Should I be arrested in the future and they take my mothers and the local chinky's telephone number from my phone

and record my texts saying 'see you in the pub at 8' then so be it.

 

If they arrest the local pusher and record his dealings with the criminal fraternity from his phone - once again, so be it.

 

But, and this is what you can never comprehend Sparks, we understand what you call function creep, we know the police get more powers by the week

we know that some are 'bad apples' we understand that we are not always told the truth or real reason behind political decisions and it concerns most of us.

 

What we don't need is a 'trotskyist' believing that he and he alone knows the real truth out there.

We see it, we read it, we understand. Paranoia renders you unable to make a rational arguement -

and that is why you recieve so much flak on here - not because we are ignorant

 

In the past year or so every time I logged into gamers, all I saw as sparks complaining posts about how crap it is in the UK and all the other things that were not right, I do not think he did jamers any favours and i have noticed a massive improvement in activity since he has gone, shame because he used to be a really good member here he just got a bit OTT with his protesting posts.

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