Alloneword

10pm

ta m8

Does anyone have any idea what time the kick off is "so to speak"

 

 

All1

Anything but the basics to live your life better than 90% of the people on this planet...

 

A reasonable place to live, food, healthcare, education, and the chance to get a job..

 

What has gone wrong is the definition of the above (apart from healthcare) that people now expect unreasonably!

Well i can only speak from my point of view, when you look at my situation i do live on the breadline, I live in a sh1t part of london, ok 5 mins walk away there are flats for over a million but where i live is rough, and if i could move i would so i don't live in what i'd call reasonable i'm lucky as most of the neighbors look out for each other.

 

I read that the average monthly spend on food for a family of 4 (on benefits) is now £450...Our family of 4 (not on benefits) eat like royalty on a monthly food budget of £250. All it takes is a little planning and careful seasonal shopping!

 

I wouldn't have believed that previously, because a decade ago our family of 2 (before the kids) spent £400/month without thinking about it...

well i don't spend near that much ££ has always been hard for most of my family and my ma taught me a good way of getting by and that was to make a menu for the week and then buy the products you needed for those meals it's dead simple.

 

Yeah, but she was the architect of this downfall....this is her 'system' coming to fruition!

So before her everything was fine? I do see what you and many others say about her but you cannot blame her for everything there has to come a point where if what she done was so bad then someone need to stop and for the life of me it should have been Labour but in some ways they were worse then her.

 

I've come to the conclusion were all doomed, it's just a case of when the sh1t hits the fan, i still think my idea off 10% (or whatever figure) of everybody is the best way forward but i know it will never happen.

 

Sorry sparks topic gone well off course :Hmm:

 

 

All1

OK, here's an answer that also won't be universally liked..

 

"is that just tough sh1t on them?"...Yes!

 

And the reason...because it's the fact (as I've said before) that the monetary loss normally goes on stuff that shouldn't be paid for by the state in the first place.

What kinds of things should not be paid for by the state?

 

 

Everyone (apart from the f*ckers at the top, but that's another story) is taking a hit, and like it or not those on benefits will have to do the same as the rest of us..

I do have a small issue with that as it was not my fault but then again it wasn't yours so "were all in it together".

 

Well here is something that would be simple, if i take £30 a week of you it might hurt a bit, £30 a week of Richard Branson is nothing, £30 a week of me would be devastating, so why not just take 10% of all of us that would be the fairest deal for everyone then we all suffer the same, seems simple but that does mean taking a lot from higher earners and the m8's in power would not like that.

 

As for taking out the system, well that's one way of sorting it out but nowadays i reckon life would be carnage people have to live and they will do anything to get what they needed and life would be even cheaper then it is today.

 

Some of you thought Maggie was bad, makes here look like an angel now this lot :He-he:

 

 

All1

Blimey...I should have put this in loggerheads!

 

I can see both sides on this, and the comments so far have quite galvanising...

 

Maybe I should have put 'if you are fit to work' as part of the question...I didn't mean to put those who aren't able to in the same position as those who are but won't...(that's what the tory's are trying to do btw!)

I think you'll always get crossed wires on this one as how do you know someone is sick or just pulling a fast one after all we have seen countless people saying there sick then running round like an headless chicken.

 

But All1... all that aside, I find it interesting that you would want more to cover things that you no doubt pay out for anyway. I find that not much different than the argument MP's put out about claiming for food at their second home whilst ignoring the fact that they would be eating the same wherever they were living!

Phew world of difference between them and me sparks, for example i can go round my flat in me underpants or shorts and a t-shirt yet that might not go down well in an office, so there is an extra expense there also the cost of traveling to work is a cost i would not normally incur, in the old days they used to give people a grant if you had been on the jam for a long time that way you could buy clothes for the new job, in my case if i was able to work then i think another option might be to give someone who has been on the jam for a while say maybe £500 for clothes for there new job and if they loose employment within say 3 years they would have to pay that money back, and before everyone lines up to get on there high horse it's not about people on benefits getting more handouts it's about making the move in a job a little bit easier, afetr all would you rather someone stayed on the dole for years or given a helping hand to get back into work

 

 

ps . nothing wrong with boiled egg sandwiches - that's why we have 4 chickens!

Yea but not in a cramped office, people would give me funny looks wondering if it's me or the food.

 

This is a real hard subject and to be honest i feel sorry for the guys in power in a way there is no quick fix. Lets put it this way do people who work expect a husband & wife with 2 kids of say 2 and 5 expect him to come of the dole and at the end of the day be worse of financially not only that loose his family home, then what do we do with him and the wife and kids, is that just tough sh1t on them?

 

Maybe instead of cutting all benefits we (the state) should give them some sort of subsidy but would the people in the street still go bonkers, or maybe just bung him to the lions.

 

 

All1

Oxfam, cheese spread, trainers to walk there. It's a start.

Well that's the world debt sorted by Ron well done m8 i'll give Dave a ring and tell him to move out shall I?

 

If you had taken the slight bit of time to read post before shoving your thoughts down my throat you would have seen there is some form of sickness, only one guy on here has the slightest idea how this affects me and it sure ain't you buddy, walking would not be an issue if it was less then say 50-100 feet, there are days when just getting out of bed is painful (and it's not because i'm playing xbox either), say i was fit for 2 days work out of 7 does that mean i should do those 2 days and hope it will pay my rent/electric/gas etc or should i look to the govt to make the money up or should i just give up now and jump in the Thames or maybe jump of a 20 story block of flats and be done with it, it's a serious issue not just a case of get on your bike, you cannot bung everyone into the same group, or maybe you can but i can't

 

 

All1

Like Dave I have not voted as nobody would take me with my sickness record, but if you put that to one side and try to answer the point of the poll i think i'd want benefit plus 20-25% more, my reason for that is given my skill sets (which ain't alot) i suspect my job would be office based, so i'd have the expensive of getting to and from work and London tube fares are not cheap, cost of having to buy a complete new wardrobe, for example I don't own a pair of shoes only trainers (or sneakers for our overseas friends) suits/shirts not to mention the costs of lunch now i guess i could do packed lunch but i think it would fairly embarrassing (boiled egg sandwich anyone :Winky: ) this would all cost a good few hundred quid for me, my views may not be liked but i am entitled to them (until that is outlawed as well).

 

 

Sorry if my views are not liked but at least i'm honest enough to say how it is, and how i feel.

 

 

All1

Yea watching it too, but to be honest i don't think any one (in power) will pay any attention with just student getting involved it's when joe bloggs gets involved i think will take a different turn to be honest i hope joe bloggs does get off his ar*e but not sure they will, someone on sky just mentioned the £6 billion and vodaphone you have to admit they have a point.

 

 

All1

Don't use it myself but it seems it's still going strong.

 

http://torrentfreak.com/limewire-resurrected-by-secret-dev-team-101108/

 

 

All1

But it does beg the question, 'why do the lottery in the first place'?.....

I thought that in the first place as well but maybe there point to do it was to help others they wanted to help after all you can hardly depend on govt agencies to do it without wasting shed loads of cash.

 

 

All1

A Canadian couple who won $10.9m (£6.7m) in lottery winnings in July say they have given away $10.2m of the prize to groups in their community.

 

Allen and Violet Large said they were plain country folks who needed no more than "what we've got".

 

The two said they had donated about 98% of the cash after helping their family.

 

The elderly pair gave the money to churches, fire departments, cemeteries, the Red Cross and hospitals, where Ms Large has undergone cancer treatment.

 

"We haven't bought one thing. That's because there is nothing that we need," Mr Large, 75, told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

 

Mr Large, a retired welder from Canada's Nova Scotia province, added that he and his wife were quite content with their 147-year-old home and everything else they already owned.

 

"You can't buy happiness," he said.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11699678

 

 

What a refreshing change it makes to see this kind of story instead someone buying stuff for the sake of buying it, and the last quote sums it up for me and how true it is.....

 

 

All1

I don't even have words on this one just sick.

 

There culture yada yada yada, what next?

 

A 10-year-old girl from Romania has given birth in southern Spain, officials in the region have said.

 

The girl gave birth to a daughter last week in the city of Jerez de la Frontera, said Andalucia's social affairs minister Micaela Navarro.

 

Officials are deciding whether the mother and her family can keep custody, Ms Navarro said.

 

The father of the baby is also believed to be a minor, aged 13, who is still in Romania, Spanish media have said.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11684854

 

What a world we inhabit!!

 

 

All1

Billy no m8's answering your own posts see that's what happens when you bully people :Fun: :He-he:

LOL yea i know sad ain't it. :Blush:

Just in case anyone else needs it, only good for Region 1 DVD's as far as i can tell

 

 

http://dvdlist.kazart.com/

 

 

 

All1

I missed the love :)

Yea man love :In-love:

Does anyone know of any websites that will give you a barcode of a DVD they may sell? a bit like ISBN numbers on books

 

 

All1

I've been here 10 minutes now

Light weight

Now we have got rid of that "one-eyed Scottish idiot" i think it's time to update my avatar, watch this space......

 

Any suggestions by the way?

 

 

All1

Welll Alloneword my grandkids are 6 and 3 and have there gran and mother with them so no trouble with them.But we never get any trouble here from Halloween kids.Touch wood.

Well at that age i'd expect no problems, from my experience it's when they get older, the week after we normally get a few stories in local rag about scumbags putting fireworks through letter boxes etc, smashing car windows or stones through living room windows, i think that's what would put some folks of the idea, sure would me but were lucky we don't much knocking in our block.

 

All1

My grandkids love it the wife loves its once a year,There are some miserable bxxstards that turn there lights off and hide behind the curtains aint there sparks.

Well the point i'd make in this is not all kids are good fun when they visit, some are but on the flip side to that some are also complete and utter little sh1ts who if you don't cough up can and do make people lives hell, why will nobody see that or is it a case of my kids/grandkids would never be that bad :Hmm:

 

 

All1

Well i used to do it as a kid (well 15 but who's counting) and when people asked what was the trick we had nothing planned just said "you'll have to wait and see" but we done bugger all to them just moved onto next house for goodies, but things have changed now and if you don't cough up your more then likely to get a firework shoved through your door, that or dog sh1t/brick through your window, just the kids today seem more intent on giving you a serious hard time rather then just a bit of fun, check your local rag the week after I guess you may see some horror stories.

 

 

All1

http://top10.com

 

Then click on "StreetStats" and enter your postcode and check how you get on compared to your neighbors (well others who have done the test).

 

 

All1

Pheeewwww, your a bundle of laughs aren't you sparks? :Smiler:

 

I used to live in Camberwell in the 80's and remember going round my area and seeing all these green coaches parked up with old bill sitting in them waiting for it to kick of in Brixton so remember that time well. You see the problem with welfare is IMO you do see these bods living a life of almost luxury on the dole and rightly so people who work get the hump with them the problem is not everyone on the dole is like that, were all being tarred with the same brush and i can see it ending in some very tragic circumstances for some people, i mean if you loose your home what do you have to live for.

 

As for total debt this country is in i'm far from being a business analyst but even i can understand that when you add various things up were in deeper sh1t then most even know, there is the straight forward debt, money we owe from PFI/PPP and i think you mentioned pensions as well, i'm surprised so few people mention this.

 

I don't know how we can make our commitments the TaxPayers’ Alliance done a report about it a few days ago and it can be found HERE the only way round it i can see is the IMF to step in and renegotiate many countries loans otherwise the place will be a nightmare.

 

 

All1

But I wonder what will eventually bring us on to the streets?

Well it's very early days but from my limited understanding there will be a max payout of £500 per week for anyone on some form of benefits that will include everything now given they want rents to go up to 80% of market rates, for me that will take my rent from £100 a week to about £250 a week plus council tax, which i'm sure will go up plus the cash i get means i'm on about £375 but that's just me what about people round here, who have had family in this area for generations and have a family in say a 3 bed house rent on that alone will be £500 a week, so what the hell are they going to feed there kids, not everybody is a lazy sh1t who makes the choice to sit on the dole, so to meet govt targets then this family will have to move out of there home and move to somewhere cheaper, how is that going to help anyone, speaking as a kid who moved around a lot it does you no favors.

 

I can see many people being made homeless as they are not able to make there rent payments, something does need to be done but this don't sit to well with me right now, as i say it's early days.

 

I did get a phone call from a m8 tonight and we spoke about this and someone who has been going straight for the last 15 years is now considering going back to a certain amount of crime if this £500 limit comes in, i'm not saying he's right in his way of thinking but i'm sure he can't be the only one thinking that way and given were loosing more coppers i doubt if he'll be caught.

 

I was surprised to see within hours a small demo at no;10 tonight but time will tell if it's going t o get worse i do think the brits are lazy and will take almost anything, except the loss of x-factor :Winky:

 

 

All1

But then again, I don't need the fancy pictures or stuff like that, I just need to remember which DVD's I have and who borrowed them :Smiler:

You see that's the difference between you and me Edge i like the pretty pictures :Smiler:

 

 

 

All1