sparks

there should have been a 'pays enough to feed, clothe and keep the family' option.

The idea was to try and find out what people think is 'sufficient'...'feed, clothe and keep the family' seems to be an arbitrary concept nowadays!

I am lucky enough to have been able to be employed since I was 16 and don't know any differently. I would hope that should circumstances be less favourable there would still be a communal benefits system to aid me in times of need. Compared to the majority, I do not earn a great deal of money although it is enough to pay for the bills and I dont really care for much else.

Which is probably why your expectations of the 'safety net' are possibly lower than others who expect things we might consider luxuries as their right!

10pm

nice one...

but maybe this should be in another area?

... and this is frightening . . .

The tax payer's alliance have doubled up the debts in that video..

£3.5trillion is nearer the mark...

Still impossible to pay back though...!

Discuss . . .

 

Unlike Mark Littlewood in that clip (co-founder of no2id), I don't have faith in this country's general population....

Because there are too many people who are too thick to stand on their own two feet!...That is partly due to successive government's policies, but also due to their inability to take control of their own lives!

It's all become too easy!

Well wake up people, 'cos there is a huge sh*t storm coming our way and there is nothing to stop it!

Or cheese...

Funny how things never change down the years...

The country may be a few heartbeats away from intervention by the International Monetary Fund but today the Irish government had a novel message for the public: let them eat cheese.

 

Brendan Smith, the agriculture minister, announced a European Union-funded scheme today that will enable the country to tuck into the EU's cheese mountain. 53 tonnes of fresh cheddar will be distributed from 15 November with collection centres in towns and cities around the country.

 

The minister said the scheme was "an important means of contributing towards the well-being of the most deprived citizens in the community".

A clear case of 'Quantitative Cheesing' if you ask me...... :Cool:

For once, I agree (to an extent) after all, the French riot for increasing pensions to 62, and the British just keep increasing - now 66 FGS! Where next ? You don't retire until 120 ? (but this won't apply to those MAKING the rules, remember)

Nope, I just can't find it in my heart to condemn. These are the people who won't make the bankers - the ones who CAUSED the mess - pay, in fact they (LABOUR too, remember) make US pay for their cock-ups and turn a blind eye to them STILL giving themselves obscene bonuses.

So yeah.

Kick a few windows out for me too - I'll toast you tonight.

OK own up - who turned phil into a reasoned individual...lol

Any more 'agreement' tonight and I'm going to have to renew my passport in order to head up north to buy you the beer for that toast !!

You can't blame people for not working if they're going to be losing out.

BUT you can blame governments for making it that way.

The Tories started this with Thatcher, and it got worse with Major, then SIGNIFICANTLY worse under Labour.

It SHOULD be that if someone works they DON'T lose out on some benefits, and Labours idea before they were booted out of making those working on low wages pay more tax was typical.

 

Up to this point I was mostly agreeing with you...

I Just had to omit the last 2 lines, but then you understand why... :Laugh:

But if Labour polititions had been more interested in running the country & not lining their own & their cronies pockets,bringing in legislation to further enhance their own interests,then borrowing out of control to further & cover up their thieving etc we would not be in this mess.

They knew someone else would be left to sort the mess out & the prsent lot are trying to do just this,but money should be comeing from the banks & big businesses,99% tax on bonuses would be a start,also a maximum yearly earning limit with the rest going in tax.

Not hit the lower wage earners % the genuine benefits claiments.

You could take all money away from 90% of the people in this country and it wouldn't even dent our national debt - which is completely different from our yearly deficit!

And it doesn't matter who was/is in power, they are still following the thatcherite doctrine!

which is why we are completely f*cked, and the sooner people realise that the sooner we will come to accept our fate as being the next member of the 'third world' countries list!

What kinds of things should not be paid for by the state?

 

 

All1

Anything but the basics to live your life better than 90% of the people on this planet...

A reasonable place to live, food, healthcare, education, and the chance to get a job..

What has gone wrong is the definition of the above (apart from healthcare) that people now expect unreasonably!

I read that the average monthly spend on food for a family of 4 (on benefits) is now £450...Our family of 4 (not on benefits) eat like royalty on a monthly food budget of £250. All it takes is a little planning and careful seasonal shopping!

I wouldn't have believed that previously, because a decade ago our family of 2 (before the kids) spent £400/month without thinking about it...

We are a nation that has got used to greed, and that has to change!

I do have a small issue with that as it was not my fault but then again it wasn't yours so "were all in it together"

I have an issue with that too, as I believe we are all to blame...we have come to expect a lifestyle that our nation cannot sustain, and when the birds have come home to roost we are all left with egg on our faces!

Well here is something that would be simple, if i take £30 a week of you it might hurt a bit, £30 a week of Richard Branson is nothing, £30 a week of me would be devastating, so why not just take 10% of all of us that would be the fairest deal for everyone then we all suffer the same, seems simple but that does mean taking a lot from higher earners and the m8's in power would not like that.

And it would still be peanuts...

You have to go after multinationals to make any real difference, but then as the vodaphone £6bn shows, it ain't gonna happen!

As for taking out the system, well that's one way of sorting it out but nowadays i reckon life would be carnage people have to live and they will do anything to get what they needed and life would be even cheaper then it is today.

Welcome to the 'third world' UK stylie... :Winky:

Some of you thought Maggie was bad, makes here look like an angel now this lot :He-he:

Yeah, but she was the architect of this downfall....this is her 'system' coming to fruition!

 

 

This is a real hard subject and to be honest i feel sorry for the guys in power in a way there is no quick fix. Lets put it this way do people who work expect a husband & wife with 2 kids of say 2 and 5 expect him to come of the dole and at the end of the day be worse of financially not only that loose his family home, then what do we do with him and the wife and kids, is that just tough sh1t on them?

 

All1

OK, here's an answer that also won't be universally liked..

"is that just tough sh1t on them?"...Yes!

And the reason...because it's the fact (as I've said before) that the monetary loss normally goes on stuff that shouldn't be paid for by the state in the first place.

Everyone (apart from the f*ckers at the top, but that's another story) is taking a hit, and like it or not those on benefits will have to do the same as the rest of us..

The alternative as I've always said is to take on the system!

Blimey...I should have put this in loggerheads!

I can see both sides on this, and the comments so far have quite galvanising...

Maybe I should have put 'if you are fit to work' as part of the question...I didn't mean to put those who aren't able to in the same position as those who are but won't...(that's what the tory's are trying to do btw!)

But All1... all that aside, I find it interesting that you would want more to cover things that you no doubt pay out for anyway. I find that not much different than the argument MP's put out about claiming for food at their second home whilst ignoring the fact that they would be eating the same wherever they were living!

ps . nothing wrong with boiled egg sandwiches - that's why we have 4 chickens!

Just thought I'd get an idea of what people actually think regarding work/benefits raised in the other thread.

Student fees protest: 'This is just the beginning'

"This is not what we pay the Met commissioner to do," one senior Conservative told the Guardian.

well pardon me, but f*ck you mr 'senior conservative'...

This is just the begining... :Winky:

Yea watching it too, but to be honest i don't think any one (in power) will pay any attention with just student getting involved it's when joe bloggs gets involved i think will take a different turn to be honest i hope joe bloggs does get off his ar*e but not sure they will, someone on sky just mentioned the £6 billion and vodaphone you have to admit they have a point.

 

 

All1

It has to start somewhere in a politically unaware country...

So far I still stand by my prediction/hope that summer 2011 will be the flashpoint...

Good, the students are finally getting the message...

Link

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Try putting in 'Jamers' and choose 'I'm feeling lucky'...

2. jamers

 

A person who cant find their dick and stick it in a girl that definately wants on

 

"poor old jamers"

Just don't tell the boss....

"We haven't bought one thing. That's because there is nothing that we need,"

But it does beg the question, 'why do the lottery in the first place'?.....

It must be very frustrating for you to be the only one to see how it really is!

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm far from the only one...

Are you frustrated about not being able to see what is right in front of you?.....:Winky:

And what was that about 'all in it together'?

But of course if you are 'big business', you get all the special treatment you want!

Link

And the expose...

Link

Controversial tax boss Dave Hartnett agreed a deal to let Vodafone off a £6bn tax bill.

 

In what was described as an 'unbelievable cave-in', the HMRC's permanent secretary for tax allowed the phone giant to avoid paying vast amounts of tax on profits racked up by a subsidiary based in a tax haven.

 

The disclosure comes after it emerged that Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs had undercharged 1.4million Britons a total of £2billion in tax and would be claiming it back.

 

In my opinion you look to the endgame to figure out which side you should be on. I wouldn't want to live in or have my kids/grandkids living in a world run by the thugs and low lifes, which is what you would get without the men in blue. So I'm on the Police side. If there are bad ones (and we know there are) get rid of them, punish them, whatever the law requires, and when they make mistakes, as we all do, fix them as best you can, but support them anyway because they're all there is between us and the jungle!

 

And anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't read, watch the news or generally pay any attention to what's occurring in the world or around the corner!

Unfortunately they are in danger of becoming the unchecked arbiters in a 'law of the jungle' that you say we should worry about ...

As those who 'watch the news or generally pay attention' should be able to tell you, violence by those who are supposed to police society inflames the situation, and just notches things up another level...And the fact that they are deemed to be above the law by the 'injustice' system does even more damage to the fabric of society....

There is every possibility that those thugs you fear'will be the police themselves, as anyone with even the slightest ability to look at history should be able to work out!

What sort of 'jungle' was created in similar economic circumstances during the late twenties/early thirties do you suppose?....

Not exactly an 'endgame' to aspire to don't you think? :Winky:

The thing we learn about history is that we don't learn from history....And those with a blinkered view of the world always forget that!

Sparks, I would be as ashamed as the police officer for the above comment you have posted.

Why?

Do you possibly remember PC Blakelock who was killed by a crazed mob during the 'Tottenham Riots' ?

An unacceptable crime, but then do you also remember Peach, Tomlinson and Menezes (amongst countless others)?

Are you the sort of person that tars everybody with the same brush? Shame on you. :thumbs-down1:

You either ask a question, or you pass judgement...which is it?

I am sure the police officer will be investigated on his conduct.

But what do you think will be the outcome?... :Winky:

You don't see many youtube videos of the police doing their daily duty in a calm and proper fashion which would probably be 99% of the time.

 

And of course (for example), you don't see the 100,000 'suspected terrorists' stopped and harrassed last year either do you... Linky Linky

And funnily enough, not a single terrorist to be found, so there must a lot of them 'bad apples' around!

Not always to the same extent as this pig thug (as far as we know), but then I'm sure they are working on it :Winky:

What seems to have been lost here is that when they put that uniform on they have to act beyond reproach, and be completely accountable since THEY WORK FOR US!

Unfortunately in practice it is often the exact opposite!

That's a shame...

I was going to trial run something for ALL1.... Oh well, it's the thought that counts

:Laugh:

 

@Sparks yes m8 you can still change your pics in your control panel

I only saw the option to put in a referring URL to an externally hosted image, instead of uploading a suitably small one to the forum as before...

If I'm being blind, can you tell me where...cheers